May 16th, 2002, 01:57 AM
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Clinton Says He Thinks Gore Won FL In 2000
Wed May 15 2002 11:55:01 ET
Former President Clinton is not a stranger to controversy and he's at the center of it.. It's what he had to say about Al Gore's bid for the presidency that is raising eyebrows, MSNBC reported on Tuesday.
Clinton: "He hasn't told me yet whether he's [Al Gore] going to run. If he does, of course, at the outset he would be the frontrunner, but I think he recognizes that under these circumstances, like every other Democrat, he'll have to make his case, but obviously he's got a lot of friends around America and a lot of people that know we won the popular vote last time and a lot of people think we won the vote in Florida last time. I'm one of them."*
*He thinks a blow job isn't sex either and is unsure of what the definition of "is", is - Soren
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May 16th, 2002, 06:43 AM
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Soren,
"a lot of people that know we won the popular vote last time and a lot of people think we won the vote in Florida last time. I'm one of them."
As Mandy Rice-Davies once said, "Well he would say that wouldn't he?"
It would be a sensation if he had said the opposite.
John.
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May 16th, 2002, 09:32 AM
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I don't want to muddy the issue with facts and run the chance of ruining a good old-fashioned hate-filled conservative rant but I just read on the Michigan Electric Library's site that after review of the Florida ballots, Gore did in fact win Florida by a narrow margin; however, he lost in the four counties he contested, so tough luck for him. He should have had better advisors but he didn't, so he paid the price.
Personally, I feel that Dubya is the best thing to happen to the Republicrats since Dirksen or McCain. He and the Demopublican Clinton have jointly done more to move the country toward the center of political ideology since the Eisenhower days. I detest the 'us against them' mentality that turns countrymen against each other. We have enough common enemies. We shouldn't hate each other because of political affiliations, gender, socioeconomics, age, or race. Just ask the North Vietnamese how advantageous THAT was to their cause. Then ask the Japanese about their experience with a UNIFIED combined Anglo war machine.
Whilst we pettily argue amongst ourselves, AOL is taking over the world and there's not a damned thing we can do to stop them.
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May 16th, 2002, 09:58 AM
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I have no countrymen on the left.
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May 16th, 2002, 11:37 AM
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Sandpacker,
"Gore did in fact win Florida by a narrow margin; however, he lost in the four counties he contested, so tough luck for him."
I do not have enough knowledge of the US electoral system to understand this remark. Could you elaborate please?
It is my understanding that a candidate wins a state, and then gains the Electoral College votes allocated to that state. Is there another break up of regions within states?
John.
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May 16th, 2002, 11:39 AM
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Clinton says a BJ isn't sex. I wonder if he told Chelsea that when she went off to school
Clinton told us he didn't launch a military attack to get the country's mind off of Monica.
Clinton said he smoked by didn't inhales. TWICE
Clinton told us all the furniture he took out of the White House when left was his. Until the auditors came and returned to the White House.
Clinton told us the only office space avaliable for his office was in downtown Manhattan. And it would cost the US taxpayers three times as much as all the ex-Presidents' office spaces combined.
Clinton told us that he never lied. "I did NOT have sexual relations with that woman, Monica Lewinsky."
Clinton told us Mark Richey was pardoned only because of his ex-wife Denise's contribution of $1M to his libary and $100K to re-election campaign, and for throwing three campaign fund raisers for him.
Yes I believe Mr. Clinton. I also believe in the tooth fairey, and that NASA faked the Moon landings.
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May 16th, 2002, 12:27 PM
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The electoral vote is seperate from the popular vote. It is a safeguard against electing a real looser. The electoral vote and the popular vote count. The electoral college is supposed to be educated but the popular voters are not necasarily. Correct me if I am wrong Mr. Packer.
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May 16th, 2002, 02:58 PM
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lot of people that know we won the popular vote last time and a lot of people think we won the vote in Florida last time. I'm one of them."*
Who is "we?" when is Willie going to figure out that he's not in charge anymore?
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May 16th, 2002, 05:47 PM
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Wassup John ?
>I do not have enough knowledge of the US electoral system to understand this remark. Could you elaborate please?
It is my understanding that a candidate wins a state, and then gains the Electoral College votes allocated to that state. Is there another break up of regions within states?<
It was mere happenstance that I read the quote on MEL just before coming to the board, so I'm no expert and only a lightweight pundit (in stark contrast to many of my fellow board members) but I believe that since Gore sued the US government and state of Florida only on the basis of those four counties' ballots, he didn't have a leg to stand on ! Someone in his legal staff should have pointed that out to him. Perhaps they did, LOL.
It was a very muddy Constitutional area that hasn't been addressed since Rutherford B Hayes in the 1876 election fix. It was the first election since the War Between the States (as any REAL Southerner refers to it because that's what it was). Hayes didn't win the popular or electoral vote either but as it turned out, there were serious allegations of election 'irregularities' in two states ( I may be wrong but I think one of them was Florida....a bit before my time) which threatened to throw the entire election into the House of Representatives for them to decide. Luckily for Hayes (a Republican by the way), this was the very first election in which ex-Confederates and hence Democrats (the South was always solid Democrat until the 1960's) were allowed to run for national office. A U.S. military occupation of the South was still going on so the Republicans had a bargaining chip. Eventually, a back room deal was cut...the Democrats agreed not to press the issue if the government ended it's 12 year occupation of the South. Suffice to say in view of the 2000 election fiasco, a satisfactory resolution to this thorny dilemma was never reached and still hasn't to this day.
Otherwise, everyone would know the name Samuel Tilden...the man who won the election for President of the United States of America in 1876.
That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
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May 16th, 2002, 05:58 PM
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Sandpacker,
I am sorry, but to this poor ignorant Australian your explanation has gone right over my head.
I thought it was a case of "If you win the state (overall), you gets the Electoral college votes".
John.
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